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Read about Ioan Taflryn de-Suggestopedia pantomime Welsh language learning methods.

 Ioan Talfryn decided that adults could subconsciously absorb the Welsh language, if he gave them a Welsh Children's pantomime. He promised them it was scientifically proven method of learning.  It is unclear whether they were able to find a 'push chair' for  Derek Brockway, the B.B.C. Wales forecaster to use.

Ioan Talfryn also believed that if learners learnt Welsh from a wall sets of verbs, that they would be able to learn them instantly if they sung them (Listening to them) and acting,  larking around. He claimed that they will absorb lots of language in this way. He has been tutoring this method since 1996!

One of the celebrities, who was christened 'Rabbit' refused to wear his mask.  Taflyn white board illustrations appear very strange

Ioan Talfyn is  ignorant of the fact that :-

·         human memory is well researched, Alan Baddeley, for instance, who discovered working memory witch Hitch has written five books, and that his ‘Ants in the Head' learning theory is silly, it does not conform to what is known about memory (All he needed to do was to look up Wikipedia to establish the facts);

·         learners cannot lay sequences of interrelated elements of intrinsic information into semantic memory , such as his claim that learners could retain the memory of the pantomime performance he gave them and that they can later sequentially bond it with the Welsh read story and then the English one. (Talfryn appears to believe that if learners memorise a children’s pantomime, they can go out and apply the range of content, the 1,200 words he counted that was applied in it);

·         words are facts, learning words is no different to learning a name, the phonology of them is stored in semantic memory, which is a declarative memory, which can only be created consciously (Words in an unfamiliar language cannot be subconsciously absorbed through listening to a pantomime,because listeners cannot give lasting attention to every word it contains even if they listen to it in their native language; 

·         non-declarative memories are stored sub-consciously, where we are not aware of learning, primarily relates to procedural memory. i.e. we do not know what brain instructions we store in our memories to allow them to write fluently using our hands; 

·         the task of learning new words in an unfamiliar language is similar to learning arbitrary security codes, facts are not baked in the brain as he believes, they erode over time after they have consciously been committed to memory. (50% of facts are forgotten an hour after learning them); 

·         the phonology of words and music are committed to working memory through the phonological loop component, so trying to learn novel information, whilst actively listening to music will cause cognitive overload, it will retard learning, not enhance it (Music does not enable learners to absorb large amounts of language as he claims); 

·         acting and dancing while learning will require learners to give active conscious attention to what there doing, it is an extraneous load, not necessary for learning, and it will increase the cognitive load,  (Learners do not instantly learn three sets of verbs through reading them from walls and singing and dancing, he never even assessed whether they had retained them after the performance) 

·         working memory is the gateway to all learning, it is the link between the senses and long term memory, its capacity is extremely limited and it can only hold information for short time scales, novel information like new language words (A thousand words that he claimed would be absorb by listening to a pantomime will never get into long term memory, let alone stay there even for a shor time as Talfryn implied).  

·         research illustrates that it takes native language speakers a year to learn 1,000 words in a familiar phonology (Talfryn was implying it could be done in a single lesson); 

·         working memory allows us process around four chunks of information at a time, trying to learn to much at once will cause cognitive overload and overwhelm learners (Talfryn's 'flip theory' advice to learners is to cram as much as possible is a crime against humanity). 

·         there are no gaps between words in spoken language, there is different accents in languages, which makes it virtually impossible for learners to differentiate, hear individual words (Talfryn claim to be able to speak a five languages, it sounds impressive what it means is far less certain.)

·          the problem with oral language is that is very transient, especially when it is applied at normal speed as his children’s pantomime was  (Talfryn claims to be able to speak a five languages, he must know that learners would experience these difficulties, it is common knowledge). 

·         it takes 10,000 hours to develop new language fluency and especially with minority languages they cannot be ‘picked up’ from immersion and grammar must be taught; (Welsh for Adult academic tutors are about the only tutors in the world who claim that grammar does not need to taught, but grammar cannot be 'picked up' by subconsciously listening to it. The McAllister report contended that many Welsh learners do not use their Welsh, because they are frightened of getting it wrong, because of the lack of understanding of grammar).

     Misleading the Welsh public and learners cannot justified.

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The pdf below from Pertty (2009) disproves the method.

PETTY ON MEMORY.pdf

Hunter and Turner (2007) honest Welsh language tutors warn of tutors entertaining learners.

Hunter and Turner2.pdf

 Ioan Talfryn did claim in the North Wales Post that the Welsh university academics 1950s Skinnerist behaviourist Wlpan method required learners to learn Welsh 'parrot fashion'. Welsh learners are intelligent human beings not animals. Nia Parry referred to the Wlpan drilling on Cariad Iaeth.

  In Scotland where Wlpan/Ulpan is being practiced it is claimed they memorise, drill seven phrases a week. They claim that any "Tom, Dick and Mary's" can practice it.

  It is unclear of whether Bagnor University who supported Talfryn's method will arrange for Ioan Talfryn to have a Nobel Prize. His discoveries are more than amazing. He even wants his methods practiced in Welsh schools. If a Welsh pantomime was given to children in Bath, at best they would 'picked up a few words'. They would be unlikely to guess what they meant

 It is unclear which school Ioan Talfryn went to, because he does not appear to know much about learning. 

          Socpie.uk does not make claims it cannot support with high grade researched evidence (See hgunn.uk). Bangor and Cardiff Universities approved this methods. 

 
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